Friday, October 22, 2010
Review for Midterm/Blog Post #6
Please take out your Venn diagrams and proofread it. Then compose a Works Cited page for the two readings on the basis of which you composed a Venn diagram. All the necessary information for Works Cited entries can be found on the class blog, under Course Readings -Information about course readings for Work Cited/MLA documentation. Then post your Venn diagram and Works Cited page as a comment in response to this post on the class blog. Lastly, export this post to your blog by clicking on the Blogger icon as well as copy and past your comment below the exported post.
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Thesis on “the Male Myth”
ReplyDeleteThe main topic concentrates on how men are perceived as self-centric and closed-minded, whose only goal is to look after their self-interest. As a result, they find themselves defining femininity as weak and not worthy of their attention.
Supporting point #1: Men consider women to be more like sexual objects.
Example: Theroux suggests in “The Male Myth”, that most men are hypersexual and their common devotion is a woman’s footwear.
Supporting point #2: Boys are taught from an early age to distance themselves from girls.
Example: boys are not allowed to ask sexual questions, instead they are told to take up a sport or join a Boy’s club.
Supporting Point #3: To become an American writer. First, you need to assert your masculinity because men are not supposed to be creative thinkers
Example: According to “The Male Myth” Theroux explains that artistic writing is preserved for female writers.
Thesis on “The Black Male”
The topic of this particular reading describes the inhuman conditions in which the black man has been systematically been placed under by the white-ruling class, and how they have struggled to form an accurate identity of whom they really are.
Supporting point #1: The color of their skin
Example: The black man was kept apart from the white race mainly because their skin color was somehow threatening and unpleasing to be looked at.
Supporting Point #2: the treatment of blacks during the slave trade.
Example: Marable argues in “the Black Male: Searching Beyond stereotypes”; the white men were not grateful of the many endeavors taken up by their slave workers. Instead they showed disrespect and disapproval of who (sable) they were as black people.
Supporting point#3: The rise of black matriarchs served to distort relationships between the black man and woman because the white men treated the black female as their mistress, gave them less work and allowed them access to their prestigious real-estate. In turn, the black man developed distrust for his female counter par
Differences
ReplyDeleteThe differences between the two readings are quite obvious, for instance “In The Male Myth” masculinity is being described by one person ( theroux) who evidently had a negative experience growing up amongst other males showing off malicious behavior towards women by treating them like souvenirs or trophies. And more specifically he talks about how American male writers are drawn to real-life-drama that only journalism can provide especially for those seeking tangible images that at times can be chaotic. According to theroux: men are more accepting of journalism as a profession because they are not always thinking with their minds but, rather taking part in the action, experiencing a rush of adrenaline as it pumps through their veins and eventually proclaiming (we are getting high from life!). On the other hand we have Marable in “The black male: Searching For Stereotypes”, describing a masculinity that has suffered greatly through-out history, from an obedient chattel to a discouraged unemployed husband or father looking to piece together his misunderstood role as a black man in this current turbulent economic times. With marable you get a depiction of masculinity from a racially-motivated point of view, whereas masculinity is seen through Theroux’s artistic point of view. Theroux explains he can’t stand men’s behavior. While in “The Back Male” Marable suggests masculinity has carried a collective moral tradition passed on by their ancestors. In other words you have Theroux criticizing the whole notion of being a man. In contrast, Marable gives masculinity the benefit of the doubt.
Similarities
The similarities that I see between these two readings for one, they both share their concern about the male-female relationship as seen through each author’s spectrum. In “The Male Myth” Theroux is worried how men mistreat women and make them feel unwanted. Likewise, Marable in “The black Male” he expresses his concerns in how the black man should embrace the black female to truly re-discover their roles as husband and wife so then can find the identity that has eluded both sexes, in particular the African American men. Similarly both authors stress a liking to education for instance, in “The Male Myth” Theroux is fascinated with creative writing; a form of education that lets you display your intellectual know-how in an emotional and spirited fashion. In comparison, Marable illustrates a spiritless statistic on the high-drop-out-ratio amongst African Americans and the high-tech business world that’s leaving the black male out in the dark, as if proclaiming (if the black man doesn’t do anything about these institutionalized trends he will not succeed in life, let alone keep up with a demanding American market that is forever re-inventing itself.
Works Cited
Marable, Manning “The Black Male: Searching beyond Stereotypes” men’s lives 5th edition. Eds. Michael S. Kimmel and Michael S.Messner.
New York: Allyn and Bacon, 2001. 17-23. Print.
Theroux, Paul “The male myth.” Across Cultures: a reader for writers. 7th ed. Eds. Sheena Gillespie and Robert Becker. New york: Pearson and Long Man, 2008. 101-104. Print.
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ReplyDelete“Chicano Men And Masculinity”
ReplyDeleteBy Maxine Baca Zinn
Drinking
Philandering
Lazy
Passive
Indifferent
Fathers seen as important
Aggressive behaviors
Strongly sex typed
Excluded from participation in the dominant society’s political-economic system
Conscious rejection
Exclusion and racial domination
“All Men Are Not Created Equal: Asian Men In US History”
By Yen Espiritu
Asexual
Homosexual
Laundry
Cooking
Feminine
Brought to America for domestic work
Both
Rigid cult of masculinity
Reading One-Zinn
ReplyDeleteTitle- Chicano Men and Masculinity
Differences
-Focuses on Chicano Men
-Women were responsible for taking care of the house and family
-Men were seen as the dominant one in the family
-They share desicion making
Author-Espiritu
Reading Two- All Men Are Not Created Equal:Asian men in US History
-Focuses on asian men
-Male had to work in feminine jobs
-asian were put in jail after pearl harbor
-Asian women worked both male and female jobs in their own country
Similarities
-both men are hard working
-Lower class then white men
-worked for white men
-both suffer steotypes
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ReplyDeleteEspiritu
ReplyDelete1. Espiritu wrote that men of color live in a society which creates sex-based norms and expectations
2. The feminist mandate for gender solidarity tends to ignore power differentials among men, among women, and between white women and men of color.
3. Asian men from Eurocentric notions of masculinity are based that not all men benefit or benefit equally, from a patriarchal system which is designed to unequal relationships between men and women.
4. Asian men were brought to America for domestic work which seemed to be of women jobs. Eg, Cleaning, Laundry, cooking.
Zin
1. Zin quoted that Sex roles are rigidly dichotomized with the male to be dominant aggressive and making the female be subordinate and passive.
2. Chicano and black men masculinity have been ignored due to the fact of them being a minority
3. Excessive drinking and fighting gives them the machismo masculinity
Both
1. Masculinity cult generates familial and socialization patterns
2. Cultural heritage has created a rigid cult of masculinity
3. The distinctive patterns help certain races adapt successfully to the demands of modern society.
Work Cited
Espiritu, Yen Le. "All Men Are Not Created Equal: Asian Men in U.S. History" Men's Lives 5th ed. eds Michael S. Kimmel and Michael A. Messner. New York: Allyn and Bacon, 2001. 33-41. Print.
Zinn, Maxine Baca. "Chicano Men and Masculinity" Men's Lives 5th ed. eds. Michael S. Kimmel and Michael A. Messner. New York: Allyn & Bacon, 2001. 24-32. Print.
Reading #1 Title: ”The Black Male: Searching Beyond Stereotypes”
ReplyDeleteAuthor: Manning Marable
Reading #2 Title: "Chicano Men and Masculinity"
Author Maxine Baca Zinn
Black
Viewed by three common beliefs.
1. They are only a step above animals.
2. Awesome physical power but have no serious intelligence (read and writing)
3. Viewed as Sexual potencies (rapiers and women stealers)
Would be punished severely for striking any white man or for just trying to read and write.
19th century black males would be raped and sexually abused before being hanged as examples.
Similarities
Both oppress by white colored males and females of higher class/ clear dominance over both races.
Looked down upon as hard workers for little money
(mine workers, mechanic, construction workers etc.)
Both males are seen as incapable to maintain good family bonds.
Chicano
Because of their culture and the color of their skin (the men) were viewed as aggressive towards women.
Culture is highly known for a clear dominance between male activity and that of women.
Chicano masculinity is known as “machismo”
Work Cited
Marable, Manning. "The Black Male: Searching Beyond the Stereotype" Men's Lives 5th Edition. Eds. Michael S. Kimmel and Michael S.Messner.
New York: Allyn and Bacon, 2001. 17-23. Print
Zinn, Maxine Baca. "Chicano Men and Masculinity" Men's Lives 5th ed. Eds. Michael S. Kimmel and Michael A. Messner. New York: Allyn & Bacon, 2001. 24-32. Print.
Theroux
ReplyDelete-Believes that men willingly follow the ignorant manliness stereotype society gives to them.
-Believes that being a man is insulting.
-Believes that a man is ignorant due to the violence of sports and the way he is raised.
-Says nothing about the superiority of man to woman.
Marable
-Believes that society has forced black men to follow the black stereotype given to them.
-Believes that black men have been more insulted throughout the past.
-Believes that the black man is ignorant due to his ancestors life as slaves.
-Believes that due to the fact women have lived with they're children, black women are more able to raise a family then a black man.
Similarities of the two.
Marable
-Said in his article, that black women had it easier then black men due to the fact that black woman could become a mistress to a white man if anything and surpass the slavery boundary, if anything.
Theroux
-Says that if women think they have it hard, that's not compared to being a man, having to deal with all these stereotypes and how your judged if you wanna do something different, like he wanted to be a writer.
Writing Cited
Marable, Manning “The Black Male: Searching beyond Stereotypes” Men’s Lives 5th edition. Eds. Michael S. Kimmel and Michael S.Messner.
New York: Allyn and Bacon, 2001. 17-23. Print.
Theroux, Paul “The Male Myth.” Across Cultures: a reader for writers. 7th ed. Eds. Sheena Gillespie and Robert Becker. New york: Pearson and Long Man, 2008. 101-104. Print.
Tiffany Quinones
ReplyDeleteBlog Post # 6
Author: Maxine Baca Zinn
Title: Chicano Men and Masculinity
Differences-
Chicano men are seen as dominent
Mostly outside labor work
There seen as loud and drink a lot
Primary bread winners
Author: Espiritu
Title: All Men are Not Created Equal: Asian Men in U.S. History
Differences-
Asain men split labor with their wives
Lost control of their family house hold after the Japanese internment
Were forced onto camps and had their rights taken away
Aren't seen as a masculine figure in America
Similarities-
Both believe in a household led by men
They split different responsibilities with their wives
Both races are minorities
Work Cited
Espiritu, Yen Le. “All Men Are Not Created Equal: Asain Men in U.S. History”. Mens Lives 5th Ed. Michael S. Kimmel and Michael A. Messner. New York. Allyn and Bacon. (2001). 33-41. Print.
Zinn, Baca Maxine. “Chicano Men and Masculinity” Mens Lives 5th ed. Michael S. Kimmel and Michael A. Messner. New York: Allyn & Bacon. (2001). 24-32. Print.
"The Male Myth"
ReplyDeleteShows How masculinity is like a myth and there is no solution.
Shows how seperation of boys and girls during ones youth effects the relationships in the future when it changes to having women makes you mmasculine.
Introduces male personalities portrayed in photos.
The Rock: Describes a strong independent leader who is sturdy and unmovable.
The Leaner: a Dependent male who relies on others so support him.
The Face Off: Intense facial expressions.
Common
Both segments speak about the Males who do not have much power.
The Seperation between bothe genders creates future conflicts
"The Black Male"
Seperation of family: black males not able to claim relatives because families were torn apart.
Introduces African American problems and struggles within society.
Man vs Society: the stereo types of African American males never being around.
Man vs Man: Conflicts within African Americans males is the biggest problems that they have.
Man vs Self: conflicts African Americans have within themselves resulting from matriarchy and not having power and not having say in slave days.
Marable, Manning. “The Black Male: Searching Beyond Stereotypes.” Men’s Lives 5th ed. Eds. Michael S. Kimmel, Michael S. Messener. New York Allyn and Beacon, 2001. 17-23.. Print
Theroux, Paul. “The Male Myth."Across Cultures a Reading for Writers seventh edition. Shenna Gillespie, Robert Becker. New York: Pearson and Longman, 2008. 101-105. Print
“All Men Are Not Created Equal: Asian Men in U.S. History” by Yen Le Espiritu
ReplyDeleteThesis: Asian men in american society are viewed as inferior to real men.
1)Domestic jobs: Was forced to do feminine work(laundry and food preperation).
2)Interment Camps: They was send to camps as slaves due to the cause of the bombing of pearl harbor.
3)Asian women tend to excell more in america then asian men: women seemed to work for less money than men who work for more money.
“Chicano Men and Masculinity” by Maxine Baca Zinn
Thesis: How chicano men are treated differently than "white men".
1)Color of skin compared to white "males" manhood not as important to men of color.
2)Traditionally masculinity is a greater significance to men of color.
3) Philendering(sleeping with other women) to chicano men show machismo.
Similarities:
Both adopt to society.
Rigid cult of masculinity.
lower paying secondary jobs.
Work cited:
Espiritu,Yen Le. “All Men Are Not Created Equal: Asian Men in U.S. History”:Mens lives 5 ed,edited by Michael S.Kimmel and Michael A.Messner.New York:Allyn & bacon,2001 33-41. Print
Zinn, Maxine Baca. "Chicano Men and Masculinity" Men's Lives 5th ed. eds. Michael S. Kimmel and Michael A. Messner. New York: Allyn & Bacon, 2001. 24-32. Print
Gladys Otavalo
ReplyDeleteMiss. Bogacka
ENG 101.0800
October 22, 2010
Venn Diagram
Reading #1
Author:Yen Le Espiritu Title: “All Men Are Not Created Equal Asian Men In U.S.History"
Thesis: Asian men are considered less masculine in America Society.
T.S1: Patriarchal system maintains an unequal relationship between men and women.
S1: Asian men as domestic workers and the lost of their power over their wives.
S2: Male domination of woman is stronger than male’s domination of man.
T.S2: Economic situation is affecting in Asian men’s life.
S1: Men have fewer employment options than women.
S2: The current growth of female intensive industries in the United States.
T.S3: Social and cultural conditions
S1: The women have been found to be more needed in demand than men in different areas.
S2: Female’s life is most successful, attractive and desirable than male’s life.
Reading #2
Author: Maxine Baca Zinn
Title “Chicano Men and Masculinity”
Thesis: Chicanos reveal a long standing interest in masculinity.
T.S1: Chicanos’ world is law and demands strict obedience, not only from the wife, but from their children as well.
S1: His machismo is an expression of power and control over the world.
S2: Patriarchal ideology was reflected in Chicano’s family (father “head” of the family or as the “boss”).
T.S2: Chicano’s exaggerated male behavior creates an inadequate masculinity identity.
S1: He is obsessed with the need to prove his manhood (drinking, fighting, and/or extramarital conquests).
S2: Chicano is dominant over his woman and control economic resources.
T.S3: The social and cultural conditions affect in Chicanos’ family.
S1: Female subordination and male dominance.
S2: Male’s participation and freedom in public activities do not have limits.
Similar Aspects:
T.S1: Racism’s ideology disappeared of Asian men’ and Chicanos’ manhood.
S1: In both articles, Black man went excluded from participation social and their voice historically was silenced.
S2: Black men also have the need for understanding society conditions.
T.S2: Asian men were excluded from Eurocentric notion of the masculinity, and Chicanos were excluded from the participation in the dominant society’s, political-economic system.
S1: In both articles refer the development of domestic services.
Espiritu, Yen Lee. "All Men Are Not Created Equal:Asian Men in U.S History": Men's Lives 5th Ed. Michael S. Kimmel and Michael A. Messner. New York: Allyn and Bacon. 2001. 33-41. Print
ReplyDeleteZinn, Maxine Baca. "Chicano Men and Masculinity" Men's Lives 5th ed. Michael S. Kimmel and Michael A. Messner. New York: Allyn and Bacon. 2001. 24-32. Print.
Title: Chicano Men & Masculinity
Author: Maxine Baca Zinn
-Males are dominant
-aggressive type
-father is the unquestioned one
-obsessed with the need to
Improve their manhood
-excessive drinking and fighting
- get respect and obedience
From wife and childrens
Title: All Men Are Not Created Equal:Asian Men in U.S History
Author: Yen Le Espiritu
-less successful, attractive, and desirable than their female
-women hold cultural power and class power over certain men of color
-men voices have been silenced or dismissed
-Asian men forced into jobs such as domestic service
-learned how to cook and clean
Both:
-They both play a different role in there masculinity
-Both act different towards their job, Chicano men need to improve there manhood and Asian men have to learn to cook and clean.
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ReplyDeleteVenn Diagram - Works Cited Page
ReplyDeleteReading #1:
Author: Paul Theroux
Title: The Male Myth
Reading#2:
Author:Manning Marable
Title: The Black Male
Similarities:
Similar negative sterotypes are used to describe each race.
The seperation of men and women to create a specific mental outcome.
Womens ability to sense inadequacy in men.
Not acceptable to be highly concerned with obtaning knowledge or take an interest in writing.
Black woman and white woman share a dismissive attitude toward black men.
Systematic effort to shape the mental characteristics of a men.
Physicality being a mens best attribute.
Differences: "The Male Myth"
Traditionally their version of masculinity by society and family.
Seperated from women to strengthen masculinity.
Not feeling like a masculine male for liking things described as feminine.
Complained of being seen as not masculine for taking an interest in writing.
Being positioned in society as being above women.
Abuse amongst each other to reinforce masculinity.
Differences: "The Black Male"
Systematiicly forced into a specific version of masculinity created by white men.
Seperated from women and family to weaken masculinity and family bonds.
Not feeling like a masculine male because you were not allowed to do anything that supported those concepts.
Having masculinity physically destroyed for taking an interest in writing.
being regarded as less capable than black women to support family and maintain survival.
Abuse amongst eachother for survival or financial gain.
Works Cited:
Marable, Manning “The Black Male: Searching beyond Stereotypes” Men’s Lives 5th edition. Eds. Michael S. Kimmel and Michael S.Messner. New York: Allyn and Bacon, 2001. 17-23. Print.
Theroux, Paul “The Male Myth.” Across Cultures: A Reader For Writers. 7th ed. Eds. Sheena Gillespie and Robert Becker. New york: Pearson and Long Man, 2008. 101-104. Print.
Yen Le Espiritu
ReplyDelete-feminized jobs
-division in Asian male society
-women are more admired
-considered to be asexual
Manning Marble
-don’t take care of their family
-irresponsible
-masculinity threaten by women
Similarities
-families separated by the U.S. government
-discriminated against
-events in us history made them into 2nd class citizents
Espiritu, Yen Le. “All Man Are Not Created Equal: Asian Men in U.S. History”: Men’s Lives. 5th Ed. Michael S. Kimmel and Michael A. Messer. New York: Allyn And Bacon, 2001. 33-41. Print.
Marble, Manning. “The Black Male: Searching Beyond Stereotypes”: Men’s Lives. 5th Ed. Michael S. Kimmel and Michael A. Messer. New York: Allyn And Bacon, 2001. 17-23. Print
Venn Diagram
ReplyDeleteReading #1 Author: Manning Marriable
Title: “The Black Male: Searching Beyond Stereotypes”
- Black men's were focus to be the white men
protector of their land from any enemies who seek
- Black men's were given jobs to be slaves and
servants working in a plantation with white overseer's
- Black men's fight for freedom and equality to be treated
Equally and given the equal benefits of a white man.
- The Civil War took place and Black men's they lost power in they own family.
Were given the chance to fight against slavery, as they
Were allow to fight in the war.
- Jobs were given to Black men's but only a few
Allow them to work, since the community was still
Following segregation laws that separated blacks other people
Or were destroyed. Most white
And whites. Unemployment for Black men's increased.
- Black men's turn to crime to deal drugs and
Alcohol to help support their families. Thus, allowing
Black men's to go to jail more often and suicide is most likely.
Reading #2
Author: Yen Le Espiritu
Title: “All Men Are Not Created Equal: Asian in U.S. History”
- Asian men's were immigrated from Asia
To destroy or take it away. Without a law to do meaningless work at low paid.
- Asian men were immigrated into the U.S. to watching over them. Do “Womanlike” work so that white women don't have to.
- Asian male's shows no sign of
Rebellion for freedom as they just do what is asked of them.
- When the Civil War happen Asian men's weren't allow to fight in the war, instead
they were put as servants for U.S. Soldiers.
-Asian men's lost everything they owned so white men only hired women, because they would work for less money, even if the men was more qualified.
- Asian men could not provide for them Family. So, the wife and the son of the Asian men became the provider as they seek jobs to help provide the family.
Common
- Both Asian's and Black's men are treated unequal compared to benefits as a white man.
- Both Asian men and Black men were forced to be slaves and servants to white men and white women.
-Both Asian and Black men are focus to doing degrading jobs that are given with very low paid of money, because white men and women are unwilling to do these tasks.
- Both Asian and Black men end up with very low confident and self esteem about they power and position in a white society.
- Both Black and Asian men want to obtain money for their families, even if they are meant do work for white men.
- Both Black and Asian men would get the chance to obtain better jobs, after the civil war, but they were paid very low money compare to white men.
- Both Asian Men and Black men were the ones, who made the money to provider for they family.
Work Cited
Marriable, Manning. “The Black Male: Searching Beyond Stereotypes.” Men’s Lives. 5th ed.
Michael S. Kimmel, Michael A. Messner. Allyn and Beacon. New York. (2001) 17-23.
Espiritu, Yen Le. “All Men Are Not Created Equal: Asian in U.S. History.” Men’s Lives. 5th
ed. Michael S. Kimmel, Michael A. Messner. Allyn and Beacon. New York. (2001)
33-41.
Reading #1
ReplyDeleteMacine Baca Zinn
Chicao Men and Masculinity
Passive
Lazy
Indifferent
Excessive drinking and fighting
Reading #2
Yen Le Espiritu
All Men Are Not Created Equal : Asian Men in U.S. History
Feminized job
Domestic service jobs
Education career advantage
Similarities
Male dominance
Hard working
Work Cited
Espiritu, Yen Le "All Men Are Not Created Equal : Asian Men in U.S. History" Mens Lives 5th ed. Michael S.Kimmel and Michael A.Messner, New York : Allyn & Bacon in 2001,33-41.print.
Zinn, Maxine Baca "Chicano Men and Masculinity" Men Lives 5th ed. Michael S.Kimmel and Michael A.Messner, New York : Allyn & Bacon in 2001,24-32.print.
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ReplyDeleteWork Cited
Espiritu Yen Le. " All Men are Not Created Equal:Asian MeN in u.S. History": Men's live 5th ed.ads Michael S. Kimmel and Micheal Messner. New York: Allyn & Bacan, 2001 33-41. Print.
Zinn, Maxine Baca. " Chicano Men and Masculinity" Men's live 5th ed. ads Michael S. Kimmel amd Micheal Messner. New York: aLLYN&bACAN, 2001 24-32. Print.